Facebook vigilantes identify mother of Baby P

Cahal Milmo

Baby P: threats of violence against child's abusers

The identity of the 27-year-old mother of Baby P was last night being circulated on the internet with the names of her boyfriend and the third man convicted of causing the child's death, after online vigilantes began a campaign calling for violent retribution against them.

An order issued by the judge who oversaw the trial of the woman and her boyfriend forbids details about them, including their names, photographs and addresses, from being made public. But on Friday the information was listed on unofficial news websites and social networking sites.

Facebook shut down pages carrying threats and abusive comments about Baby P's mother after thousands of users subscribed to groups carrying the names of the couple and Jason Owen, 36, who were convicted at the Old Bailey this week of causing the 17-month-old boy's horrific death. The judge's order allows Owen's identity to be made public.

One Facebook group was entitled 'Death is too good for [the mother's name], torture the bitch that killed Baby P'. Another that carried the name said 'Baby P killers should be hanged, drawn and quartered'. The page contained graphic threats of violence and the addresses of the three.

Facebook said although many of the comments on the chat groups it hosted reflected conversations taking place "from the House of Commons to the man on the street", it was making sure comments breaking the court order and its own rules were removed.

Another social networking site, Bebo, removed the mother's profile page after abusive messages were posted, while her Friends Reunited profile was also being circulated.

The difficulties of policing the internet were highlighted when the mother's name briefly appeared in a discussion thread hosted by the Sun. The information was removed.

But unofficial news sites were last night continuing to offer information about the defendants. One carried photographs of Baby P's mother, the names of all three defendants and that of Baby P.

Mark Stephens of the Internet Watch Foundation said: "There is a... problem with trying to enforce court orders that apply to the UK... We either need to develop more sophisticated ways of dealing with this kind of information when it is posted or we decide to recognise the permeability of information once it reaches the internet."

November 16, 2008

Comments

#1 micky finn commented, on November 16, 2008 at 10:20 p.m.:

I am sickened and very upset about baby p. I am generally a very placid person, however this whole gruesome and horrific event has made me feel so much hatred against those involved that I wish the death penalty was back in force. As for the social workers involved, they should resign now.

#2 dion commented, on November 16, 2008 at 11:21 p.m.:

You're in heaven little boy P with all the toys you ever wanted and all the friends you will
ever need; I hope you are having the best time of your life. A million kisses and hugs to you

#3 Shark Trager commented, on November 16, 2008 at 11:48 p.m.:

I agree with Micky, I would quite happily take a pistol into their respective cell, as they do in Russia and end their hateful lives and have my breakfast a half an hour later. Why are their names not in the public domain? Why are they protected? No one was there to protect that little innocent from the utterly evil torture that they administered on him over a long period of time. Liberals will come out with all sorts of excuses for their behaviour, but it's evil what they did to him, pure and simple. I hope they burn for eternity.

#4 MAVIS lovr commented, on November 17, 2008 at 12:53 a.m.:

Good! Why should they be kept secret? This boy was innocent; name and shame! These animals need hanging.

#5 tfa commented, on November 17, 2008 at 1:42 a.m.:

The details of all those involved are freely available on newspaper sites in stories covering the arrests in August 2007.
The last time I looked - about ten seconds ago - her profile is still on another site similar to Bebo.
And even if a judge were to order these sites taken down or the content altered, the chances are that they would still be there due to the way internet cacheing works.
So to focus on people venting their spleen on Facebook is rather missing the point.

#6 Keith commented, on November 17, 2008 at 8:42 a.m.:

Just to say I totally agree 100% with Shark Tragers post although I'd use much worse weapons than a pistol on this filth for what they did to that little angel!

#7 catie commented, on November 17, 2008 at 10:16 a.m.:

I have never been so disturbed by anything in my life as I was by the evil inflicted on that beautiful baby. He is in the arms of our lady now. As for the people involved in his torture and murder it doesn't matter if their names are published (I think they should be) but they will suffer for what they have done, I firmly believe that. Baby P, rest in peace little angel.

#8 S.B commented, on November 17, 2008 at 12:57 p.m.:

R.I.P baby P. As for his mum, what goes around comes around. She will be in a prison were women will hate her and miss their own children and have the knowledge of the disgusting things that she did to her son. A mother is here to protect not the opposite. She should have done to her what she inflicted on her son.

#9 SAD commented, on November 17, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.:

It is the worst thing I have ever heard in my life. Working in a newsagents and looking at all the papers with the baby's pic on the front pages was disturbing enough for a person who's got a heart. It makes my heart bleed. I wish there was the death penalty in this country; she should hang til death. I don't know where this society is going. Why? He had not caused any problems. Kids are innocent and for love, not for stupid adults to practice their punching power. He is now safe from evil but God will never give peace to them. They will not be happy all their life. She should have left that stupid man when he first hit him. Who was he to order when to change or when to feed him? It's disgusting. God please send this man that killed this innocent baby to hell.

#10 Emma commented, on November 17, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.:

Bring back the death penalty, these people are mutants, they have no place in society.

#11 pb commented, on November 17, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.:

The fact that the names of these scumbags are being withheld is an absolute disgrace. There was zero protection for baby P, yet these evil b******s are protected? We live in a very sad world.
Death penalty seriously needs to be debated again. Since it was banned society has got extremely more violent.

#12 Lorsylen commented, on November 17, 2008 at 5:06 p.m.:

When I read about the brutal and horrific death of this poor little angel, I just cried. I have two girls and all I did when I got home from work was just hug them and kiss them. I would kill any one that tried to harm them. That poor little soul; how could those sadist people do that to him? What they did to him, should be done to them and they should die a very slow and painful death. As for the social services, an utter disgrace, the little mite actually smiled at that woman even though he was in so much pain, with half his little fingers missing and she just told that woman to clean his face! If she had just picked him up to check him... I am so deeply saddened and disturbed that this kind of heartless, brutal, violent thing can happen to innocent little angels brought onto this earth to bring happiness and joy to any parent; brought onto this earth to be loved, hugged, kissed and cuddled, not to be hurt so brutally. I'm so distraught. I'm left questioning: is there a God?

#13 laura smyth commented, on November 17, 2008 at 5:12 p.m.:

I am not a religious person but I genuinely believe these people are the devil. I have a young son and I love him more than life itself, as any normal mother should. Baby P should have been taken from his animal of a mother and given to a loving home. The social workers who visited should feel sick with guilt.
Rest in peace baby P.

#14 geri commented, on November 17, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.:

God will protect you now, sweet little angel. May you be happy up in heaven for all eternity. God bless you.xxx

#15 KATIE commented, on November 17, 2008 at 5:29 p.m.:

I cried when I read what those sick people did to that beautiful baby. They should be named. It's sick to think they are being protected.

#16 garry commented, on November 17, 2008 at 6:48 p.m.:

Sad, I take it you are female? You mention about this horrible man, etc doing what he did...at the end of the day the mother carried out a lot of this violence herself. She isn't charged just because she was there and allowed it, it's because she knowingly took part in it. Scumbags, the three of them...considering releasing their details myself

#17 kim commented, on November 17, 2008 at 6:54 p.m.:

These three obscene sadists should all be sterilised. She has already given birth to another baby. All of them should never be able to have children again.
They can't hide their faces for ever. Why are they not named and shamed. What is it with this country, have we all gone soft or something?
Sleep peacefully Baby P; we all love you xx

#18 dave in ireland commented, on November 17, 2008 at 8:37 p.m.:

SUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN Another case of the system with no one responsible. Make the people who deal with this responsible for not doing their job. Make them do some time and be fined for their part in the crime, they are partly to blame.

#19 Grainne commented, on November 17, 2008 at 8:40 p.m.:

Baby P, may you have fun in heaven forever more, where you can bounce around the fluffy clouds and be free from that wicked family that you were with....we love you.....xx

#20 anisa commented, on November 17, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.:

ANISA: my stomach turns when I hear about what happened to baby P. I have three children whom I love more than life, I would never let any harm come to them. These animals that harmed baby P should be given a slow and painful death to make them realise what they have done. And to suffer 10 times more pain than what they gave to the little angel; may he rest in peace.

#21 jill commented, on November 17, 2008 at 9:18 p.m.:

You are with the angels now baby P; we all love you
xxx

#22 michelle commented, on November 17, 2008 at 9:22 p.m.:

I was disgusted that these people couldn't be named and shamed and I was one of many Facebook users that joined the groups calling for them to be named and shamed. I know as a mother I would die trying to defend my little girl if anyone harmed a hair on her head so the mother was definitely not innocent. in fact in my eyes she is worse! I came from the same area as her and knew her years ago and I would gladly name her and her sadistic boyfriend! If someone robs a bank or commits murder and is arrested they are named as suspects; why do we try and protect such people as baby killers and peadophiles?

#23 a commented, on November 17, 2008 at 9:42 p.m.:

Those parents deserve to be hanged for what they did to baby P; bring back the death penalty.

#24 Justine commented, on November 17, 2008 at 10:51 p.m.:

Every time I hear, see or read something about that poor baby I cry. I was actually physically sick when I read the true extent of the torture that poor poor baby went through. I hope and pray the sick b**tards get what is coming to them. My children are my world and I would fight to the death if anyone ever hurt them.
Any child that is considered to be at risk should be removed straight away, no matter what the circumstances are. Rest in peace little angel xxx

#25 Ger commented, on November 17, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.:

To Baby P... I have cried for you so much little angel, you are in a better place now. Your big blue eyes will never have to drop another tear again. You can sleep soundly and safely now little man, no one will ever hurt you again....
I never knew you, but you will be in my heart forever XXXXXXXXXXXX

#26 kerry commented, on November 17, 2008 at 11:15 p.m.:

Oh God, poor wee Baby P. I get comfort from other users saying they love him as I do. I pray for Baby P, may Our Lady hold him close, stroke his wee face and give him a wee kiss from all of us. No more tears wee man.

#27 justice commented, on November 17, 2008 at 11:53 p.m.:

What I think should be done is exactly the same torture they put that wee baby through; it should be done to them, let them know how it feels. No one would have any pity for the scumbags

#28 Caroline from ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 10:05 a.m.:

Ever since I heard about what happened to little baby P I have been so depressed. Every waking moment I think about him and the abuse he suffered at the hands of these animals. I have four little boys myself and they are my whole world; I couldn't imagine anything ever happening to any one of them. The only thing that lifts my spirit slightly is that that beautiful little boy is, I hope, at peace now, in heaven surrounded by love and happiness. I honestly think that apart from the scum that did this to him the people who should and could have protected him "social workers", if you could call them that, should stand trial and do time for knowingly allowing this abuse to happen. Baby P's mother stood back and let it happen and so did they. What's the difference? They are no better. Rest in peace baby P, you will always be in my thoughts xxx

#29 amanda commented, on November 18, 2008 at 10:32 a.m.:

This country stinks. The law is as much to blame as are the ones involved. If the law was like those in Arab countries, for instance, where they would chop off their heads, then this wouldn't be happening so much. What the hell does it take?

#30 Kate commented, on November 18, 2008 at 10:56 a.m.:

I can only wonder whether these heartless animals will ever truly suffer for their horrific acts against such a little angel. Can someone who would beat an innocent baby so badly as to break his little back ever feel anything at all? Perhaps if his death had been a tragic accident they might feel remorse and suffer for their sins. I find it hard to think they are suffering at all. Can a savage mongrel be tortured any other way than physically?
Rest in peace Baby P. xxx

#31 Jenna commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.:

Is anyone else a little uneasy with the mob mentality on show?
The people who did this are animals, no doubt, but calling for capital punishment and the sacking of all social workers involved is not a very Christian response. Most social workers do a very difficult job to the best of their ability, they can't be held responsible for this.
If people are so angry about the issue don't call for blood, go out and do something constructive about making the world a better place.

#32 Rebecca commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:17 a.m.:

A thousand tears will never express the sadness this case has drawn upon us as a nation. Is it now time that this country supported and protected the innocent and created an effective deterrent, and suitable punishment to prevent these evil people from delivering their crime. At what point are we going to stand firm and move forward? Human rights!
Why is it the people that need protecting aren't and those that don't deserve to be treated like humans seemingly are protected? We generate our own problems in this country. What exactly does it take for this to be rectified?
Sleep well angel, may you have all the love, warmth and kisses every child deserves. From a lucky young mother of a gorgeous little girl, who has recently learnt that I am unable to have any more children. I would have done anything to have been blessed with such a beautiful little boy like you baby P.

#33 lorsylen commented, on November 18, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.:

Jenna, sorry but can you not understand why people are so angry seriously! Do you have children? How would you feel if something happened to you, God forbid and your child had to go to another family and they did what those monsters did to your child and the social workers just let it happen? Can you honestly tell me you wouldn't feel differently and want justice? Think about it!

#34 Mary from Ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 12:06 p.m.:

What sick individuals. It makes my skin crawl to even think what them B******* did to that innocent boy. As a mother to a 15-month old baby girl I cannot even imagine the suffering that Baby P went through. I'm all for naming and shaming all involved and for much worse. Baby killers do not go down well in jail so it gives me some comfort to think that maybe they will suffer greatly like that poor baby did. Bring back the death penatly! Scum like them should not be allow live.
"Baby P, when my little girl smiles may you smile with her, when she laughs may you laugh with her and when she grows may you grow with her too. RIP"

#35 helena from ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 12:18 p.m.:

Those people must have been brought up like animals to be able to harm a poor innocent baby like that; the death penalty would be to good for them animals. I don't know why someone didn't speak up before he died. If I ever thought something like that was going on around me I'd do jail for the child; I'd kill the person.
Rest in peace little man, even though you shouldn be up there. You should be be getting all excited because Santa is coming. xxx

#36 JENNY commented, on November 18, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.:

Being a mother myself every time I read this story it brings tears to my eyes. How could anyone do this to a liitle baby? I hope the people that done this will die a painful and horrible deaf. Do not let them get away with this! Stuff human rights!

#37 Sarah commented, on November 18, 2008 at 1:19 p.m.:

I definitely argree with name and shame. These people don't deserve any protection; Baby P certainly didn't receive any. Hopefully the system will do him right now and see to it that these animals spend the rest of their lives behind bars; it's the least that should happen.
And may I also say after watching the programme about it yesterday something that really worried me was that he had an appointment with a doctor that never noticed he had eight broken ribs and a broken back.

#38 Max Revenge commented, on November 18, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.:

Why have their identities been withheld?
The accused in the Rhys Jones murder has been named and he has not even been proved guilty yet.
Let these scumbag killers be kept alive as long as possible and regardless of the cost, so they endure the hell that awaits them in prison - not the most popular category of inmate.

#39 Steph commented, on November 18, 2008 at 1:33 p.m.:

Being a mother myself to twins at 24, yes it's tiring, I could never ever harm my kids the way they hurt Baby P.
I read the story and cried. I'm an absolutely scarred for life after readng about the the pain and torture that poor baby went through. How could they do that, just how?
A mother's supposed to protect her child not join in sick games to hurt their own son.
They need to be named and I hope they get tortured in prison.
MORE could have been done for Baby P WITHOUT A DOUBT!

#40 cindy,ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.:

I'm sick to the pit of my stomach to think of what that precious little man went through. How can anyone hurt a child? They are so tiny, innocent and helpless. My God I have three wonderful children and have never lifted my hand to any of them as I couldn't hurt them. What has gone wrong in society that children are still being hurt and murdered? Is this the cycle of life?

#41 mick commented, on November 18, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.:

I am sickened to my stomach every time I read about this story. Having two young sons, one the same age as baby P, I cannot understand how that mother let this happen to her son. It is a disgrace that they can't be named. Is that the way we are? I hope one day they are tracked down and made suffer for what they did if not I hope they burn in hell!

#42 Jude commented, on November 18, 2008 at 2:05 p.m.:

I too am very very upset about baby P and can't stop thinking about him (he is the same age as my little boy and has the same big blue eyes). So upset about the poor poor mite. If he had been allowed to grow to adulthood he would have thanked the people who took him out of his hell just as David Peltzer did (A Boy Called It) and who is only alive because he was taken away to a foster family after years of abuse.
We must have a zero tolerance policy on child abuse - no second chances for parents, no making excuses for them, no going on about their human rights. What about the right of baby P to have the love and care that he deserved?
What is so sad is that there are people out there that would have loved to have a beautiful little boy like that to love and he was left with people that don't even know how to behave as members of the human race.

#43 Elsa commented, on November 18, 2008 at 3:02 p.m.:

I am so angry and sad that another baby has suffered and died while red tape and lack of communicatioin between the relevant agencies that knew that little baby P was at risk did nothing to stop the awful torture inflicted on him by savages. I think a lot of people need to take responsibility and be punished for his death. Rest in peace little baby

#44 Gerry, Ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 3:23 p.m.:

Rest in peace little angel though your time on earth was short and painful when you gaze into the eyes of Our Lord he will hold you to his merciful heart and welcome you to his fold and there you will feel no pain.
The actions of these animals has touched the hearts of every peace-loving, child-loving human that hears of it. I feel utter hatred and distain for these animals and feel that their punishment should be akin to what they did to this little angel and should be administered by something or someone with the same power to weight ratio - multiple lump hammers sping to mind.

#45 louise commented, on November 18, 2008 at 4:40 p.m.:

You are with the angels now baby P; we all love you and will never forget you no more tears baby boy just joy. Love you cutie. This should have never happened to you or any other child. This world is just a disgrace, I can't even sleep at night thinking off that poor baby and the pain he went through. God bless you, all my loves and kisses xx

#46 ann ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 4:44 p.m.:

Disgraceful that this should have happened and that a little baby died even though so many people knew he was at risk and did nothing to stop the torture he enduured in his short little life. May God forgive them because we don't.
May he rest in peace and enjoy this Christmas

#47 lisa ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 6:16 p.m.:

Little angel we're all thinking of you, RIP. If only for those people in HARINGEY CIVIC CENTRE you would be alive today; you were such a beautiful child.
xxxxx

#48 john,ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 6:44 p.m.:

How and why do these animals do these things to defencless children? They should be made to suffer in the same way that they made that little pet suffer. How many more children have to live in these circumstances before there is a zero tolerence policy to child abuse put in place? The months of unhappiness and pain that child must have endured doesn't bear thinking about.

#49 john commented, on November 18, 2008 at 6:45 p.m.:

Even though this is a hateful series of crimes and committed against an infant, to call for the death penalty to be re-introduced is a slippery slope. What should happen is that they should face therapy everyday and never be allowed to forget what it was they did. To kill them is not only too good for them but also begs the question: should we literally hand over the right to life to a legal system? Who would perform the killing and would that bring the victim back? One final point, what would be the effect on the executioners?

#50 Richie commented, on November 18, 2008 at 10:22 p.m.:

In response to No.48: any "person" that would attack and kill a child, never mind torture, should be put to death. Mandatory.
I for one would suffer NO ill effects. On the contrary, I would get the same feeling as when I donate blood. Proud to do my civic duty. Don't wax lyrical about the right to life of the convicted. With the exception of Baby P's mother, and a very few others, any parent whose child has been ripped from them would think nothing of ending the killer's life. Why, as a society, should we be any different?

#51 Michelle (Dublin) commented, on November 18, 2008 at 10:35 p.m.:

I am sorry Baby P. Society let you down. We didn't protect you and for that I am truly sorry. Your beautiful, innocent little face will be in our memories forever. Rest in peace baby P. They can't hurt you anymore.

#52 Walsh commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:07 p.m.:

I felt physically sick from this story. The people involved should all be tortured the exact same way this baby was. How anyone could not feel any remorse from hurting a baby is beyond me? Torture them sickos. R.I.P Baby 'P' You did not deserve the short life you had.

#53 cindy,ireland commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:07 p.m.:

Realisticaly the death penalty will not be re-introduced and maybe for some it would be an easy way out if it was. These people have probably grown up with violence and haven't been able to turn their lives around and this is not excusing what they did to that sweet child. Social services seem to be failing both preventing this kind of thing happening in the first place and making sure it will never happen again like they promised in 2000 with little Victoria Climbie.

#54 Will commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:10 p.m.:

I have suffered mentally and tried to cope with this evil act. Tears keep coming to my eyes. I have two little boys whom I love so much that it hurts to think if anything happened to them. This gorgeous, precious little gift from God suffered terribly. I hope that he has not 'suffered in vain.' One thing we must remember is that this innocent victim of a wicked society will be in a place all of us would love to be (peace in Heaven)
My heart skips a bit because I imagine the screams. There are not enough of us to realise that we have the power to stop this from happening again. In my mind I am scarred by this. What has helped me is to imagine him in my home with toys and kisses and love and affection from my family. With everything that he deserved. No one can take him away from what I have to offer for this baby.
As for the 'monsters' I hope that they are ready for Lucifer's eternity of pain and darkness!

#55 Megan commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:50 p.m.:

The horror of what happened to this baby is beyond words, and I understand why people are so angry and want all involved to pay. The social workers and other agencies involved should be fully investigated and held accountable if they were negligent, but really the big wigs who make the rules for these agencies to follow need to be held accountable and stop hiding behind the 'ground floor' workers. They pile a lot of pressure on those below them making it very difficult to do their jobs effectively and then deny all accountability when the s**t hits the fan. As for naming and shaming, believe me, I think they deserve all they get but those people have families too, who are 100% innocent in this awful crime. When people find out who they are related to they will be shunned and victimised - that's mob mentality. I think the decision to 'protect' the killers identity is to prevent innocent members of those animals families becoming the next victims of needless violence. As for the three who took Baby P's life and subjected him to such a horrific life, well we all know what happens to child killers in prison, they will probably never be allowed to mix with others for fear of what will happen to them. One day someone might be looking the other way. It's the prison officers who look after people like this who need a medal, I could not keep my hands off them. Could you?

#56 michelle and john commented, on November 18, 2008 at 11:57 p.m.:

Rest in peace little babe. You're safe now and nobody can hurt you or let you down anymore. Me and my little boy are saying prayers for you and send you all the hugs and gentle kisses in the world. xxx

#57 Karen commented, on November 19, 2008 at 12:12 a.m.:

I am sorry Jenna. I wonder what your job description is? I pay the same as all the tax payers in the UK have paid for the professional training of these social workers, who are trained to assess these situations and root out these evil monsters, who have the indecency to consider themselves as parents. Most of all they are being paid to protect these poor little angels from harm. If they have done this to the professional training they have received, baby P and many other children would be safe and well. These people need to be held responsible for the role they have played in this poor little boy's short horific life. Losing their jobs is not enough. As for the fiends that call themselves parents of baby P a prison sentence is not enough. They will probably try to kill themselves claiming depression; this will allow them more protection in prison and some luxuries (like the moster Ian Huntley receives). Please tell me how this is justified as punishment?
Send them to prison, however tell the other prisoners who they are and the severity of what they have done, close the doors and let us see what happens. This would rid the world of the scum that breaks our hearts. NAME & SHAME SO THESE ANIMALS CANNOT HIDE ANYWHERE.
GOD BLESS YOU BABY P SLEEP TIGHT. YOU ARE GOING TO BE CARED FOR NOW JUST AS YOU DESERVE.

#58 Milly commented, on November 19, 2008 at 12:55 a.m.:

I feel so sad for that little boy that I have had problems sleeping. He has been constantly on my mind since I heard about his tragic life and death. In a way it's a blessing that he passed away when he did; the alternative would be unthinkable, he would still be suffering behind closed doors today...
As for the people who did this to him, it's the mother I feel most hatred towards - she was his MOTHER for crying out loud! These people are scum, the lowest of the low, the death is too good and too easy a way out for them. I would prefer to think that they will be sent behind bars for a very, very long time and that the other inmates will make sure that they never feel safe or at ease in their environment - very much like I'm sure baby P was made to feel in his all too short life.
I know you are happy and safe now baby P, bless your soul.

#59 lolly commented, on November 19, 2008 at 10:03 a.m.:

RIP baby P. You're an angel. Love you pet. Lots of hugs and kisses! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

#60 M Ireland commented, on November 19, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.:

I feel sick, disgusted and guilty that I lived in ignorace while this child suffered the terrible, brutal, cruel, evil and haneous acts inflicted upon him.
But, I am also aware that this case is not unique and it is now time that we as a society act.
The "mob mentality" that is being mentioned in some of the comments have arisen because of anger, guilt and a huge wave of emotion created by this vicious, violent and evil crime. By our very nature as civilised human beings it is our strongest instinct to protect the young. As a society we have failed and those with compassion, love, and a heart are crying out for justice and prevention so that we will never have to be sickened by another story such as this again.
Should we not be angry in unison?
In my opinion we should name those responsible; if their families and friends are shunned so be it. This could act as a deterrent and encourage friends and family members to report this type of crime before it becomes so severe that a child is killed. Why not make them responsible?
The Government, social workers and medical workers should also be brought to justice to answer for their crime. By their very negligence and failing to act to protect this child, which is their duty, they are as guilty as those who perpetrated the crime and should face criminal charges.
We as tax payers employ these people for the very purpose of protecting endangered children, so that incidents like this are prevented. They have failed in their duty in the most serious way that they could. The negligence of their duty to protect this child has resulted in his death.
WHY ARE THEY STILL EMPLOYED?
How is it logically possible to continue employing people who are obviously so incapable of doing their job. A child is dead. Must more die?
Where was the father in all this? How was he or his family not involved in this child's life. Why as a parent is he not also responsible?
Did he not have anything to do with this child? I hope he feels the shame of this too. As a parent he has neglected his duty to protect his son.
It was his choice to lay down with this woman, maybe other fathers will now check up and make sure their own children are being properly cared for.
Perhaps it will make people more considerate of who they choose to have children with or who they leave their children in the care of.
I believe that every parent should be made to provide a child with a safe and healthy environment as a mandatory and legal requirement. And those that we as taxpayers, employ to ensure this should be legally required to ensure that this is the case. The fact that this child's death was allowed to happen shows that this is certainly not happening.
As a society we should only vote in those politicians that fully substantiate, publicly act and work to create an environment where this is possible.
We all have an opportunity here, let's take it. We failed baby P, let's not fail again.
RIP SWEETHEART

#61 sean commented, on November 19, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.:

These people shouln't be shot as the suffering that this innocent child has gone through would not be reflected. They should be thrown to the public and used as human punch bags. I'm sickened and very disturbed that things like this still happen and people like this exist. Hope you can rest now Baby P. We're all thinking of you. xx

#62 monzer commented, on November 19, 2008 at 11:54 a.m.:

I can't believe the mother has had another baby. Surely they can take this baby from her on the basis of what she did to her first child?

#63 Sarah - Ireland commented, on November 19, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.:

I wish that I believed in God and for baby P I really hope there is one because I can't even think that this little blue-eyed, sweet baby boy dies a torturous death and that's it.
I feel physically sick when I think of what happened to him; this has affected me in such a big way that I want to quit my job and help with cases like this, insuring it never happens again.
The love I have for baby P is so strong and I never even met him. I'm sure there is so many more of these cases that are not so publicised. Can anyone help me with what I can do? What courses etc...?

#64 Mike commented, on November 19, 2008 at 1:32 p.m.:

My patience wears thin with the lazy slobs in social care, the courts and the sick, lazy monsters that rot and pervert our society.
To all those with sympathy for these 'dregs' you should have none. They can't be 'reformed', they can't be 'citizens', they are completely broken and will lie and cheat and collude with others of the same ilk.
This chain will not end unless ended.

#65 louise speakman commented, on November 19, 2008 at 1:53 p.m.:

How many more children will this happen to before something is done about it?
I go to bed every night and lie there for hours just thinking about what that little boy went through on a daliy bases. It makes me physically sick to think a mother could do such a thing to her own. I have just had a boy, three months, and I have a five-year-old too,and to find out the mother had a baby girl while she is on remand for the murder of her son.
She should never be alllowed to see that child again. I find myself asking why? Why did she have a son to torture him? Then when they were torturing him she gets pregnant again!
She should be left in jail untill she dies. It's her job as a mother to do the best for her kids, to give them the best start in life, to keep them from harm.... She failed so badly she should be punished for the rest of her life.
Sarah in Ireland, the only thing I can suggest to you is to become a social worker as you seem to be a nice person and feel the pain of others. I'm sure if people like you where social workers things like this would never happen.
Rest in peace little angel, our thoughts are with you baby P.

#66 Tracey - Ireland commented, on November 19, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.:

Both my husband and I have cried a river of tears for Baby P over the last week. We have a blonde-haired, blue-eyed boy of our own, he's 21 months old. I just can't get to grips with the pain and fear this baby must have suffered as he was dying, especially in those last few days. It's barbaric and evil beyond belief. Even though I am a religious person, I could never find it in my heart to forgive these animals. For th past few days I am so depressed by all the evil in the world that I am constantly crying. The only thing that has comforted me is reading boards like this and realising that, against the odds, there is more good than evil in this world and that the huge majority of people would defend their children to the death. I know that no matter what, this precious baby's suffering is over now. May he dance, laugh and play with the angels for always. I hope he knows how much so many of us loved him, even though we never knew him.

May God Bless & Keep you Always Baby P, rest in peace little man xxxxxxxx hugs & kisses

#67 Gary commented, on November 19, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.:

#64 Mike - How do you propose to 'end the chain'? There is a whole underclass of people in our society whose lives are destroyed by drugs, lack of education and chances in life, this is the breeding ground for grim acts like this. How about you get off your lazy a*** and try to help bring about social equality rather and criticising others. Then at least some good could come about from baby P's death.

#68 Me. commented, on November 19, 2008 at 5:35 p.m.:

What's the point? People like this deserve to die a slow painful death. It makes me feel sick to know this happened to a little boy and no-one could have stopped it. Broken spine, broken ribs? You evil people. When I read this I just feel like crying - it's vile. I hope they all die a painful death and suffer as much as that poor little boy did. R.I.P little baby P. We all love you. You're safe now.

#69 Mark commented, on November 19, 2008 at 8:22 p.m.:

There's a text message doing the rounds now with all the names and address in it. I'm sure everyone will know who they are in a week or so.

#70 Lisa Ireland commented, on November 19, 2008 at 9:33 p.m.:

There are no words to describe these people. I just hope they suffer for what they have done.
Rest in peace little man, you are safe now with the angels. xx

#71 mary from liverpool commented, on November 19, 2008 at 9:36 p.m.:

God how that poor child suffered. I hope those scumbags get what's coming to them. Rest in peace little one. xxxxxx

#72 fathima ismail commented, on November 19, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.:

Our little darling baby P, may you rest in peace now.the horrific torture has ended..May you get all the love you didn't deserve from your carers, from God and the angels. The whole nation is mourning the untimely and brutal death you suffered. Since your abusers have shown no remorse, we demand death penalty for each abuser, including your sadist mum in the cruel way possible. I have a son your age, born in the same month as you, I will teach him about you as he grows older and tell him that you are hero and loved even after your sorrowful death. I still can't understand why they did this to such a beautiful little innocent baby like yourself. I can't eat, I can't sleep at night whenever I think of you. I can't stop crying, I can't think how much you must have cried in pain, when no one was even listening to you. I pray and pray that no child in the world should suffer like you did. I beleive we, as a society, have a responsibility to remain vigilant and report whenever we see something suspicious happening to our nation's precious children. .May God give you the highest ranking in the life hereafter and may peace be upon you beautiful little darling baby p.

#73 rachael eire commented, on November 19, 2008 at 11:19 p.m.:

I haven't stopped crying from the moment I heard about little baby P. I feel ill at the thought of what he went through day after day, trying to imagine the pain he suffered. He would cry, in the hope that someone would come in pick him up, kiss him, cuddle him, and make him feel loved. He never knew that feeling of being safe. Now he is safe and will know that the nation loves him. You all agree, we think about him every day. Rest in peace baby, no one will ever hurt you now.xxxxx.

#74 david/ dublin commented, on November 19, 2008 at 11:32 p.m.:

It took me three weeks to get up the courage to read what they did to that child, Imagine what it was like to live one day in his short life - hell on earth. That beautiful little child is now scattered over a field like he never even existed. What the hell is going on? BABY P, that child had a name. What a sick system. If you treated a dog like that your name would be in print. Scumbags doesn't even come close. PLEASE, PLEASE name the three of them and let them mix with the rest of the prison population.

#75 ar commented, on November 19, 2008 at 11:49 p.m.:

Little angel, I hope now you are at peace and are getting all the little cuddles and kisses that all along you deserved!

#76 rachael.ireland. commented, on November 20, 2008 at midnight:

BLUE EYES FULL OF SADNESS, GOLDEN HAIR LIKE GLOWING STARS, BEHIND YOUR SMILES LIES SADNESS, BENEATH YOUR CLOTHES ARE SCARS. THE PAIN AND SUFFERING YOU HAD TO BEAR, FROM THE PEOPLE ROUND YOU WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO CARE. THE LAST PICTURE OF YOU BREAKS MY HEART, CLEARLY YOU WERE VERY ILL, DYING. YOUR LITTLE FACE SMEARED IN CHOCOLATE TO HIDE YOUR INJURIES AND YET, YOU STILL MANAGED TO GIVE YOUR SOCIAL WORKER A SMILE WHEN SHE CALLED IN TO CHECK THAT YOU WERE OK. YOU WERE A VERY BRAVE LITTLE MAN. I HAVE A LITTLE BOY JUST LIKE YOU, BLONDE HAIR AND BLUE EYES AND EVERY TIME I LOOK AT HIM I THINK OF YOU. BABY P YOU ARE SAFE. THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HARM YOU NOW. THE ANGELS WILL PROTECT YOU. AS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WITH YOUR BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS, JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED. GOOD NIGHT BABY P. LOVE YOU LOADS XXXXX.

#77 Haley fr. Canada commented, on November 20, 2008 at 1:21 a.m.:

I'm truely touched by how many people have reacted to this story in such a short time! It's absolutely disgusting what those so-called "adults" did to that poor defensless child. Sadly being DEAD is actually better for that baby than LIVING(if you can even call it that) with emotionless monsters.
I sincerly hope someone breaks all their backs, I hope they get EVERYTHING they gave him, x 20.
It's unreal. Everyone who ever saw that child alive, and did nothing, should be ashamed.

#78 mandy from coventry commented, on November 20, 2008 at 1:36 a.m.:

Rest in peace baby P.
My husband has received a text message tonight naming the evil mother and stepfather. I hope that they both rot in hell for what they did to you little man.
I wish that I could have rescued you, taken you away from the pigs that didn't deserve to have a beautiful child like you.
I have two lovely children that are now grown up. I am 46 years old but would have given you so much love and care...
I am so sorry that you were not able to be part of my family. If only I had known how I could have grabbed you away from these monsters.
God bless you baby P,
love Mandy from coventry xxxxxxxxxx
Rest in peace big guy. We love you xx

#79 glenda from cape town south africa commented, on November 21, 2008 at 9:11 a.m.:

IT WAS SO SAD TO READ ABOUT BABY P. HE WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BABY WITH EYES AS BLUE AS THE SKY.. THE SOCIAL WORKERS MUST OF HAD ON BLINKERS NOT SEE THE EXTENT OF HIS INJURIES. THE DOCTOR THAT SAID HE WAS CRANKY AND MISERABLE - THEY MUST REMOVE HER FROM THE MEDICAL BOARD.

#80 SM commented, on November 21, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.:

RIP Baby P. XXX
Your evil mother never deserved a child as beautiful as you. And I hope the mother and stepfather and anyone else involved gets tortured the same way Baby P was.
They are evil and sick minded.
Always in our hearts Baby P.
Love you xxx

#81 anne odonnell frm wales commented, on November 21, 2008 at 9:01 p.m.:

It's so sad. I think about it everyday as I have a son the same age and with beautiful blue eyes as baby P did. I hope they get the max punishment and more. You were so beautiful baby P. Rest in peace little one and we hope you're happy at last xxx

#82 PAUL BACK commented, on November 21, 2008 at 9:03 p.m.:

GOD BLESS A LITTLE ANGEL CALLED BABY P

#83 CS commented, on November 21, 2008 at 9:08 p.m.:

Hand control of safety of children at risk over to NSPCC from Social Services, with all the funding of course. NSPCC know what they're doing. No theory, plenty of practice.
God speed Baby P, bless you.

#84 paula brennan commented, on November 22, 2008 at 1:54 a.m.:

Rest in peace baby P. You are in a far better place now

#85 nicola fittes commented, on November 22, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.:

Sack the social workers. I want them to be paraded in public along with the three sickos so we, the public can torture them and let them feel the pain that baby P had to go through. We will never forget you baby P and we will get justice for you little man.xx

#86 Maddy commented, on November 22, 2008 at 4:56 p.m.:

Nobody should call them animals, animals do not do such dreadful deeds as those evil people did.
My heart bleeds for that little man.I
I have had the text but we will not ever be able to get at them because of the stupid and most offensive rule ever by the human rights act!
Then again who knows?

#87 Sarah watson commented, on November 22, 2008 at 6:57 p.m.:

I have two little girls who are one and two. They are very hard work as I'm on my own looking after them, but it doesn't matter how hard work they are I would never ever hurt them what so ever. It's sick what these people have done to baby P. They should be dead, not him. A little boy has died and what for? What has he done to deserve that? NOTHING!
He was just a little baby who couldn't fight back. It is sick and they shud be hung. It really gets me mad and it's upsetting. Social services are no good as well. They should shave protected baby P from them, they didn't they just kept sending him back home to more abuse.

#88 patricia, ireland commented, on November 23, 2008 at 12:07 a.m.:

Jail is too good for those creatures. Name them, they have no right to be protected. Who protected Baby P? Rest in peace sweet angel, I am sorry everyone let you down. Nothing anyone will say can change what happened to you but I hope that some good will come from this so that no other child will ever have to go through what you did. You should have had a long and happy life. Sweet dreams sweetheart, you have a place in my heart for always.

#89 bronagh (dublin) commented, on November 23, 2008 at 12:45 a.m.:

When I read about baby P and what he went through I felt like sick.
It took a while before I could read the details and when I did I felt my heart break for the pain and suffering he endured at the hands of those animals.
I have three children and my youngest is almost 16 months old, bright blonde hair, blue eyes and reminds me of that beautiful little boy.
I feel such disgust and disbelief that people are capable of these acts on a young innocent child. I have cried daily and felt depressed at what the world is coming too when a young child so in obvious need of help and care and love was failed by all who knew him.
That woman could be out in as little as five and a half years, I've read, and it sickens me to the core.
You'd get longer for a petty crime! And the charge of "ALLLOWING A CHILD'S DEATH"?
He would never have died or been in a sickly way if they hadn't tortured and abused him in the first place. What did they expect? He was a baby whose body couldn't withstand the full force of an adult's fists.
They should be held on murder and duly sentenced.
He didn't ask to be born, he didn't ask to be treated that way and now she gets to start her life over new.
She doesn't even feel remorse for what she did and will laugh in the face of those who help give her a new beginning.
What about the victim in this? The little fella who smiled despite being in pain? The lttle boy who just wanted to be loved by his mother? It's so disrespectful to his memory.
Thank God for the love people have shown for this boy. It only saddens me we couldn't give it to him while he was alive. I'm planning Christmas for my children and I feel so guilty and sad that he wouldn't get to experience his first proper one.
I'll never understand why this happened to such a beautiful innocent little boy but all I know is his face is in my heart forever and every time I hold my children I'll think of him. May you rest peacefully and be shown all the love and care and comfort up there that you never got to experience here. xxxxxxx

#90 martyn, ireland commented, on November 23, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.:

I just don't understand it.
It's absolutely disgusting how someone can do something like that and no amount of jail time is gonna sort those people out or be enough for what they have done. They will be just the same or worse when they get out. Their names should be released cause these people don't deserve a moment's peace. They deserve death, not poor little innocent baby P.
REST IN PEACE LITTLE FELLA

#91 Lindsey Taylor Manchester commented, on November 23, 2008 at 7:39 p.m.:

I have cried so much over Baby P. It breaks my heart to think what he went through. Why are these sick people being protected by the government? Do they not realise what they are doing? They are laughing at everyone knowing they will be let out in six years or so. Giving them a second chance while living the life of riley in prison; what we are paying for? Bring back the DEATH PENALTY. There is no other way to punish them!
This sad thing will carry on until sterner penalties are brought forward.
How many children and babies have to suffer before something is done?
I am also disgusted in the social workers and doctors involved; they contributed to Baby P's death. I hope they are ashamed of themselves!
I am ashamed to be British if this is how the government protects the wrongdoers and can't protect the innocent ones! R.I.P Baby P. xxx Thinking of you. xx

#92 caroline commented, on November 23, 2008 at 8 p.m.:

I am so horrified at what baby P suffered at the hands of his vile mother and stepdad. I can barely read the newspaper. She was not his mother. No mother could do or let that happen to her child. Please, something should be done so it never happens again. I hope you are at peace now baby P. God bless you angel. X.

#93 nieve commented, on November 25, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.:

I am sitting here crying reading your views. What a sad world we live in. I have a 15-month-old child and it breaks my heart to think of the suffering baby P went through. Jail is too light for people like this; they took away a little life that was so delicate. December 1st, light a candle in your window at 7pm. I hope you are at peace now baby P....XXX