US serial investor and commodities strategist Jim Rogers was asked a few months ago what should a young British man or woman do to get through the next few years of economic slowdown. Move to China and learn Chinese, was his abrupt reply.
Rogers is among a growing band of British economic bears who believe the game is up for Britain Inc. He goes one step further and says the country is eventually going to go bankrupt as North Sea oil runs out and it drowns in an ocean of public debt, much of its caused by bank bailouts and a public spending splurge driven by Prime Minister Gordon Brown. George Soros has said he expects Britain to need IMF assistance in either 2009, or at the latest 2010.
Unfortunately for Rogers and Soros, England last went bankrupt in the 1600s and Britain managed to stay solvent even after World War II, admittedly with some help from the US treasury via the Washington Loan agreement.
Nevertheless there are chilling parallels for British economists to the 1970s when the UK was famously described as the "sick man of Europe''. During that decade the Wall Street Journal hoisted the powerful headline "Goodbye, Great Britain'' and James Callaghan was forced to go to the IMF in 1976 to help with a sterling currency crisis. He managed to pick up a loan of £2.3bn and eventually the crisis abated, even though appalling industrial-relations strife did not.
In those days, a plunging currency put politicians under pressure; now a devaluation is greeted with joy by UK economic commentators who are happy to see British exports, anaemic as they are, given a currency booster. In one of the most extraordinary episodes of economic complacency probably ever witnessed in UK history, there has been barely a questioning peep from UK economic commentators about the performance of sterling in the last year.
The figures are worth rehearsing here one more time. Last year the British pound was the worst-performing currency in the world, except for the South African rand. Sterling declined by an extraordinary 26% against the dollar and 23% versus the euro. This spelt appalling pain for Irish exporters of course.
Clearly the sharp falls in sterling have curbed the worst effects of the recession on Britain which will only contract by 3.7% this year, which seems innocuous when placed alongside the plunge in Ireland's economy where a contraction of at least 8% is on the cards.
But despite endless hoopla and cheerleading over what is an effective devaluation of the British pound, British economic opinion eventually must come around to face the reality that sterling has fallen off a cliff because outsiders remain worried about a plethora of economic challenges facing Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, with the latter unveiling a crucial British budget this week.
Among those challenges is the rising level of debt. The UK is likely to have a debt-GDP ratio of 80% in the not-too distant future and it could easily rise to 100% shortly after that. Ireland's is following a very similar trajectory. Interestingly the UK budget deficit for 2009 is likely to come in at 9.5%, with Ireland pencilled in, according to NCB, at 10.8%.
In other words, in terms of current budgetary shortfalls and in terms of overall debt levels as a percentage of national income, there is barely a cigarette paper separating the two countries, regardless of the euro or sterling.
The collapse in sterling is obviously closely connected to falling interest rates in Britain, but that is not the full explanation. There is also the debt concern and the potential for inflation as the UK takes a different route with quantitative easing, which has been shunned so far by the eurozone.
Many in the market fear the long-term ability of the British government, a Labour government, to get on top of the mountain of debt and many of these people are selling off their sterling holdings. The rapid fall in sterling, while it boosts exports, still leaves Britain with a problem.
The country has been dismantling its manufacturing base over the last 20 years and turning itself into a giant bank or hedge fund in the process, particularly in the capital city. It's quite an extraordinary statistic, but only 6% of the workforce of London actually makes anything. Almost 20% of employment is in financial services and wrapping up CDOs or SIVs doesn't count as manufacturing as far as statisticians are concerned.
These statistics matter because the so-called "life saver'' of depreciating sterling is partly offset by people not being able to find locally produced alternative goods they can buy, because UK Plc no longer chooses to make them. So instead sterling is falling, but consumers are still forced to buy imports – albeit dearer ones – because the UK has run down its manufacturing base. Imports only fell 0.3% in April for instance.
Jonathan Loynes, chief UK economist at Capital Economics recently said: "There is still not much indication that currency weakness is boosting exports in any meaningful way."
The other concern is the sheer scale of the UK's bank liabilities which amount to 4.7 times the GDP of the country. Ireland's bank liabilities in comparison are about 250% of GDP, but as one observer remarked recently, "it's not the size of the liabilities that's important, but whether they come due or not".
While Ireland and the UK line up in similar positions in so many areas (debt to GDP, budget deficits, banking liabilities, public-spending pressures), that is where the similarities end as far as foreign lenders are concerned.
Last week the yield on a benchmark UK gilt was 3.23%; for Irish bonds it was 5.26% – a staggering difference or spread of over 2%.
The credit default swap market, with all its health warnings, was telling a similar story. It cost $82,000 to insure $10m of UK government gilts over three years; for Irish bonds it cost $206,645 to insure $10m of Irish government paper over the same period.
The appalling gap in Ireland's revenues and its expenditures cannot be the only reason for such stark differences with Britain on the bond market. Obviously scale is crucial too.
The UK has a population of approximately 60 million people; Ireland has about 4.2 million. That seems to be playing heavily on the minds of bond strategists. Also the ability of the UK to retain foreign capital flows, due to the City of London, is also an advantage, even though its interest rates are currently rock bottom.
Still, the Irish/UK bond spread is hard to justify. It's not so much that the Irish ones should be narrower, more that the UK ones should be wider. Obviously the UK has a far more liquid market for gilts to trade on and this is also likely to be a factor.
But ultimately the tax-raising powers of the British exchequer, which it can yield over 60 million people, is the crucial difference and there is nothing the Irish government can do about that.
In The British Corner...
Gordon brown
Brown is regarded as culpable for the failures of British bank regulation
Size of the economy: GDP of £2.1tn
Budget deficit: 9.5% of GDP in 2009, according to the IMF.
Strengths: Has a very strong exporting economy thanks to recent falls in sterling. London is the dominant financial centre in Europe and arguably second only to New York globally. The economy is still AAA by all three ratings agencies and its bonds trade at levels similar to rock solid Germany. The country has also committed itself to a significant stiumlus plan and is refusing to substantially reduce capital spending, which will help limit employment losses. The country managed to stay solvent after WW2.
Weaknesses: Has been slowly hollowing out its manufacturing sector for years, forcing it to import a large amount of its goods compared to Germany and France. Has the largest dependence on financial services of any European major country. Will have the largest budget deficit of any top seven world economy in 2009.
Outlook: Mixed, things are likely to get rough, but a default or an IMF application is unthinkable.
In The Irish Corner...
Brian Cowen
Brian Cowen was Minister for Finance when Ireland was inflating one of the biggest property bubbles in the world.
Size of the economy: GDP of €180bn.
Budget deficit: 10.8% of GDP in 2009 according to NCB Stockbrokers.
Strengths: A young expanding population and a low corporation tax rate of 12.5%. Comes into the downturn with relatively low levels of debt:GDP. Excluding the banks, the debt:GDP in 2009 will be 59.2%, well below EU averages. Heavily export dependent which means when global recovery comes it should benefit more than most.
Weaknesses: Massive hole in the public finances and no chance to devalue its currency. Has lost its AAA status from two of three credit rating agencies. Ultimate cost of bank liabilities still unknown. Pay levels still out of line with comparable European economies. Danger of deflationary spiral.
Outlook: Grim. Still able to borrow, but rising cost of interst bill is a major concern. Raising taxes could lead to massive delfationary spiral.
Ireland is still in denial. The government is cleverly trying to manage the plot away from their mismanagement of the economy to blame the banks and property developers or lets be realistic and say house builders. Banks have a lot to answer for too.
What is not being discussed is the hugh level of personal debt i.e.credit cards,car loans and mortages etc.This is potentially a far more serious problem for the country generally. People have not yet woken up to the fact that most of the young population are up to their neck in debt and are most certainly in negative equity. This will constrain that generation for the next 10-15 years at least. They wont be able to trade up house,will struggle to raise families and will almost certainly be unable to afford to save for a pension. As for the older generation who purchased property for their "retirement income" (investors as they are called but lets be realistic and call them unsofisticated property purchasers) are also mired in debt for a long time as the economic downturn plays out. House prices have yet a long way to fall and with bank regulation back on the horizon be prepared for much lower mortgages multiples of salary and 90% loan to valuation. When the upturn comes it will be export led and will not result in a correspondant increase in wages. Irish costs are way out of line with Europe and being a member of the Euro is resulting in a very painful adjustment. The other big cat in the bag is China which is causing further downward pressure in wages.Ireland is paying dearly for its mismanagement. The government never prepared the country for the Euro and in fact has bankrupted the country twice in 25 years.(Just to remind people under 50 the first time after we got monetary independance from Britain c1979 we were bankrupt within 3 years and got Germany to bail us out through EU subsidies etc.) We have impressive record in how to manage an economy upside down This time we are on our own. Be prepared for a difficult 10 years and forget the living standards of the past 3 years.
Posted by Anthony in London
And yet you make no mention in the article on Ireland's currently expanding trade surplus (from memory €86bn versus €54bn imports) mostly in pharma, software, engineering and food and the €1.32tn odd in assets in the IFSC mostly in capitive insurance or pensions pooling or investments. Most of Irelands imports are white goods (household appliances), raw materials for export or cars and therefore have an inordinate impact on the balance of trade. Hello? It is also worth remembering that a number of well known UK listed firms have abandoned or are about to up sticks from the UK mostly to Ireland. The UK is potentally in serious trouble with only scale and its own currency and bond traders keeping things on an even keel.
Why compare England to ould gobeen Ireland. Just look at what old backward Ireland has to offer starting with the twisted crooked politican's who think their entitled to gouge and pig out on the money collected from the dumb tax payer's. Look at the so called motorway's that you have to pay to drive on. Why do you pay road tax on your car again? dah. Pop 4.2 mil, take away the kid's under 18 and pensioner's Pop approx 3.2 mil, now take away the dole crowd and add them to the so called civil servant's and the poor farmer's you are left with approx 2 mil to pay for the other 2.2 mil.dah.U2 like many more rich Irish have their money invested abroad[ even Cowen 280000 euro invested in apartment's in Leed's]Why? dah.
Fool's driving 4x4's on a tiny island where it rarely snow's. dah. The brave bogeen Gardai who torment the hard pressed driver's looking for car insurance while the real scum wreak havoc on the weak,the gardai are supposed to work for you not the big international insurance firm's dah.And now for the biggest fools of all, poor ould Paddy taking it up the ass in the tiger years in exchange for houses, car's, shopping trip's to New York ect and all on plastic, provided by the lovely fella from the bank,yes the plastic paddy ruled like the ROMAN'S there for a moment in time but now Caesar want's his couple of bob back so pay up. See ye went from culshie mocs to,'' in yere own mind's'' Greek God's [fake tan's and all]back to culshie moc's in a split second.Have an ould look in the bank owned mirror there gobies and you will see a cute hoore replaced by a gomless fool imprisoned for life by a 3x2 piece of plastic.dah.
The British as alway's will recover [stiff upper lip and all that] because they are a proud nation and will pull together for the good of all. They have great rail, motorway's,public servent's, public transport,ect. Their culture is the envy of the World and like the American's they will reach out to you and help you up the ladder of your choice if you are willing to play by the rules.
Ireland will put F.G LABOUR, F.F. Green's[ same old muck raker's ]into office again and again and she will sink deeper into debth because ye have nothing to offer the rest of the World ,and what was on offer is covered with crappy unfinished road's, big ugly bank owned houses scouring the country side and dog crap every where. I feel sorry for the first time buyer's who got screwd by the jerk's in the real estate buisness. Let this be a lesson though, while ye though ye were learning the three R's in school, Cowen, Kenny, Gilmore,Banker's and co were learning the three R,O's Rip Off, Rip Off, Rip Off. And when someone complained to H.R.H Bertie, he told them to go away and kill themselves.. I wonder how many did?????? ''Great leadership that''Last gob out, turn out the stupid light's A bit misty here in Chicago today but at least I am free
Aren't you missing the obvious point? UK government debt is denominated in sterling. Even if devaluation isn't enough to make the burden affordable, the government can simply print more sterling. Unpalatable to those of us that believe in sound money, it is true, but a virtually guaranteed means of avoiding default.
What will Ireland do?
If there was a word-there SHOULD be a word-for an intolerance and intense dislike of all things Irish I think I would be'suffering'from it too anthony@4(except for the black stuff and Irish pubs abroad of course)
Dear sir,
I believe that you have changes to make and I believe that the following should be included:
1. The minimum wage needs to come down, in line with Germany and England.
2. I believe that an international campaign against China and her international and domestic policies should be initiated. You will shortly see China relocating established western brands to China, thus depriving the west of further jobs, while allowing China to establish itself as a player in the profitable side of manufacturing and sale of finished goods which command a price premium on the marketplace.
3. China has already blocked an attempt by Coca-Cola to buy a drinks company in China, having introduced comprehensive anti-trust legislation recently. There is also talk of a Chinese company buying Saab. This will be the first of many. Boeing already have parts of their planes made in China while China is developing its own aero industry.
4. The west must deal with China by closing the doors. It must also change from the global free trade model and isolate China for the following reasons:
1. It is too big to ignore.
2. It is manipulating the value of its own currency by holding large parts of its trading profits in foreign currency. This has enabled it to remain artificially competitive, because thee profits from industry have not impacted their economy and people in the conventional way.
3. It owns a large part of America’s debt, which is set to continue
4. Since globalisation, the west has:
a) developed property bubbles (which have burst),
b) seen its industrial strength diminish
c) seen China’s industrial strength climb
d) seen construction boom/bust scenarios develop
e) seen western governments pursue ‘service economies’, while ignoring production
f) seen Germany being the exception, although it had a ‘bust’ some years past.
g) Seen asset values diminish as the deregulated free-market economy model collapsed
h) Seen , with this collapse, the west being opened up for control by eastern and Saudi-type economies
There is an urgent need for change. Crazy foreign policy by western nations , spending trillions on saving Afghanistan and others from themselves, only leave the west more exposed, economically vulnerable, as China watches the ball while the west plays saviour to the few. The risk to the west from China is being ignored. This needs to change. Until this is dealt with effectively, we are on a hiding to nothing.
Unless Public Sector pay is reduced by 40% from Summer 2008 levels Ireland will never recover. We are a small island country, we cannot be paying Hospital Consultants and University lecturers twice as much as U.K. Germany etc. Our Teachers , nursers, etc. are all paid 40% more than their European Equivalents. No other country has free benchmarked index linked pensions. No country could afford such extravagances. Very ordinary jobs in the public (protected) service get enormous pay. Bus drivers €50,000.00 Street Sweepers €50,000.00. Prision officers get paid a day each week that they do not work at all. At present 2009 the Government is Borrowing internationally all the money it pays to its employees. All of the reductions in expenditure and the increase in Taxation in the so called mini budget April 2009 was in order to reduce the difference between what the Government spends and the tax paid. The government will have to repeate that at least three times more to bridge the difference before starting to pay back the debth at all. Most people mistakenly believe that the budget was in order to pay the Banks, the developers, the builders. The civil servents have encouraged this mistaken beliefe in ordre to hide the real problem. All pay increments should be cancelled immediately, It is redicioulas to give an automatic increase in pay.
A lot of things are down by 40% anyway. Mortgages, land, cars, hotels, holidays,some food , . Some food is as cheep as it was 10 yeaqrs ago. The exposed sector , the provate sector , have on average already taken a 40% reduction anyway.
NAMA seems to me to be an over elaborate way of dealing with the banking problem. When will we stop creating layers of bureaucracy to avoid dealing directly with problems? What value does NAMA add?
The core issue is that many developers are not repaying their loans which means that the banks cannot service their loans. This is an income issue and while banks are regulated in terms of liquidity perhaps this is not the time for a late conversion to strict observance of regulations. Let’s just provide the cash that would be used by NAMA to buy the underperforming assets and take equity and floating charges without the nonsense of another tier of complication.
NAMA is simply a futile exercise in trying to pretend that we are applying rational valuations to an unknown variable. Why bother! Just focus on the issue – money to service the banks’ existing commitments and to take on new ones for productive purposes. All the skills still exist in the banks – NAMA is hardly going to apply some fantastic new insights - we just need to make sure they are well managed this time.
No more easy cash but cash for sound proposals by businesses with well thought through financial projections that withstand the scrutiny of properly trained bankers.
I suppose I’m just dreaming!
I would love to know where John Rodgers gets his facts. Prices down by 40% and street cleaners on €50,000 with no billions pumped into private sector banks to keep them afloat. John let us all know where that country is and I will give up my nursing job here and emigrate to that great country to live a stress free life as a street cleaner. I bet the weather is good there too.
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"London is the dominant financial centre in Europe and arguably second only to New York globally." How exactly is this an advantage at the moment ? And does anybody expect this to last any longer ? The effect of the global crisis will be to spread the financial services industry to new locations like Singapore, Hong Kong, Mumbai, the Carribean, Dubai, Sao Paolo, etc....Cities where the local banking business is not as screwed up by misadventure, and recklessness. Cultures where resources are preserved carefully - as against the gambling that exists in London. Lots of cities are competing for business in this sector. Besides Britain Inc. is loaded with delusions.
"The economy(Britain) is still AAA by all three ratings agencies" We were AAA one month ago. So was Spain. And we know what happened next. Besides these are the same ratings agencies that gave AAA ratings to all those subprime debt, SIVs, Icelandic banks, etc... Is this really an advantage.
Britain is bankrupt. And Ireland is heading that way in a desperate rush. Young people in both countries are getting out as fast as they can because the job opportunities are running out fast.
Or we could leave the final word to either George Soros. Unlike the ratings agencies, Soros tends to get his facts in order !!!